Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Sober Garth <= Sober Heather < Drunkie Heather <= Drunkie Garth

This might be the most self-absorbed thing I have done yet on this blog (and that's saying something), but here is a (slightly) edited IM conversation I had today about poker and where I am going. Please feel free to throw in your two cents in the comments, even if it's to say that I'm a egocentric douchebag who should just shut the hell up.

I could have edited this way down, but I have to run to footy training. Also: I'm lazy.

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(14:14:26) maigrey101: some day i must write "the trick to poker" post
(14:15:20) garthmeisterj: Oh? What's the trick?
(14:16:08) maigrey101: play drunk
(14:16:33) maigrey101: or well, certifiably inebriated
(14:16:44) garthmeisterj: Man... I might have to go cold turkey while playing until I win something reasonable.
(14:16:59) maigrey101: you just WON DDA
(14:17:10) maigrey101: while DRINKING
(14:17:18) garthmeisterj: RIght.
(14:17:32) garthmeisterj: But you must understand that I am an extremely contrary and stubborn person.
(14:17:33) maigrey101: why would you change it up with the bigger tournies?
(14:17:42) maigrey101: buttttt the drinking works for you
(14:18:04) garthmeisterj: Thus if someone proclaims that I play my best drinking, I instinctively cut out the drinking to prove them wrong.
(14:18:18) maigrey101: oh
(14:18:23) maigrey101: well then you suck when drinking
(14:18:32) garthmeisterj: Yeah, that totally works.
(14:18:35) maigrey101: (but i've proclaimed that before and you have agreed, btw)
(14:18:40) maigrey101: (of course you were drunk)
(14:18:44) maigrey101: (or tipsy)
(14:18:46) maigrey101: (and playing well)
(14:19:08) maigrey101: but yeah, I think you have to be sober while playing the bigger tournies
(14:19:25) garthmeisterj: I know when I'm playing well - if I'm playing well and also drinking it's pretty hard to disagree.
(14:19:41) maigrey101: hee
(14:20:15) garthmeisterj: (As in: if I am playing well, and drinking and you say "Hey, you play well when you're drinking"... well, that statement is instantly verified)
(14:20:20) maigrey101: hahaha
(14:20:31) maigrey101: ugh, I am debating hi tailing it out of here
(14:20:34) maigrey101: i kind of feel woogy
(14:20:40) garthmeisterj: (The contrariness kicks in at the implied: "You do not play so well when sober")
(14:21:10) garthmeisterj: Hey, if you're feeling woogy, no reason not tol.
(14:21:12) maigrey101: I didn't say that!
(14:21:28) maigrey101: I say that I think there is really something to this playing better while drinking
(14:21:38) maigrey101: my 2nd place in the horse?
(14:21:47) maigrey101: drinking to definite tipsiness
(14:21:58) maigrey101: last night? drinkign, although I annoyingly wentout in 38
(14:23:07) garthmeisterj: Oh, I'm just saying.
(14:23:22) garthmeisterj: Remember: I prefaced this with "I am an extremely contrary and stubborn person".
(14:23:50) maigrey101: also, unambitious
(14:24:05) maigrey101: so what if I say "man I don't think you could make anything of yourself you're so unambitious!"
(14:24:10) garthmeisterj: I agree.
(14:24:12) maigrey101: would you agree or decide to be contrary?
(14:24:15) garthmeisterj: I know truth.
(14:24:19) maigrey101: now see, thus you are not being contrary and stubborn
(14:24:25) maigrey101: and you don't think you play better while drinking?
(14:24:30) maigrey101: it is not TRUTH?
(14:25:05) garthmeisterj: Not necessarily - I can't deny that drinking ups my aggression levels, but I also think I may make more (and potentially bigger) mistakes while drinking.
(14:25:46) garthmeisterj: Now, I have a pretty monster record of cashing in, for example, SUnday morning sats to the Sunday Stars million - and I definitely am not drinking during those
(14:27:00) maigrey101: yes but sats is a different style of play
(14:27:34) garthmeisterj: Oh for sure - I didn't say there weren't flaws in the example.
(14:28:04) garthmeisterj: It also happens to be about the only example of a poker variant I can say that I always play completely sober.
(14:28:19) maigrey101: hahaha
(14:28:22) maigrey101: because it's in the morning?
(14:28:41) garthmeisterj: The other example is playing live at my local game - again flawed, because that game doesn't easily compare to others I play.
(14:28:52) maigrey101: right
(14:28:55) maigrey101: and it's live
(14:28:56) garthmeisterj: Exactly. I usually play it immediately after waking up.
(14:32:07) garthmeisterj: So, anyway, what have we learned? a) I like to play poker, b) I like to drink, c) I enjoy drinking and playing poker, d) it obviously bothers me that I think I play better while drinking, e) I am a contrary, stubborn and frustrating person, and f) I'm unambitious
(14:32:36) garthmeisterj: Hmm, Freudian typing? d) it obviously bothers me that it is possible that I play better while drinking
(14:33:22) maigrey101: why?
(14:33:44) garthmeisterj: That's a very good question.
(14:33:44) maigrey101: it doesn't bother me - and I"m pretty sure I do play better while drinking
(14:33:54) maigrey101: which means GEEZ do you know how much time i wasted in the casino???
(14:33:55) maigrey101: ;)
(14:34:00) garthmeisterj: Let's look closer at Garth's psyche...
(14:34:03) maigrey101: so let me change this
(14:34:08) maigrey101: i play better ONLINE while drinking
(14:34:27) maigrey101: (although, I have had my biggest wins live while being so tired it's hard to think)
(14:34:35) maigrey101: ok *pans the camera around to garth's brain*
(14:35:30) garthmeisterj: Well, I dunno - I realise that while I play DDs, for example, I am playing two tournaments at once, I read web pages, am chatting to multiple people, and listening to music.
(14:35:41) garthmeisterj: (oh yeah - and usually drinking)
(14:36:50) garthmeisterj: Given the fact that I am taking things a little more seriously (not way more seriously - that would take effort and ambition), naturally it has occurred to me that I wonder what environmental factors help me play better.
(14:37:51) garthmeisterj: It's really very possible that I over-think things, particularly online - making moves too often and in the wrong spots when I am stone cold sober and concentrating on one table exclusively.
(14:38:40) garthmeisterj: Actually, that's quite interesting. My aforementioned sats to the Sunday Mill occur when I have just got out of bed, usually a bit tired and hungover, and I am playing a sat so I am aware that I don't have to make the same moves I feel I have to in normal tournaments.
(14:39:34) garthmeisterj: I also think the fact that it's a real possibility that I have to throttle back on using my, for lack of better terms, conscious mind and rely more on my instincts worries me a little.
(14:40:00) garthmeisterj: And by "worry" I mean I'm not sure I know how to hone my instincts, while I sure as hell know how to use my conscious mind.
(14:42:14) garthmeisterj: But in the same breath I really feel that some of my recent success has come out of my beginning to feel my way through hands more, using my intuition and instincts. I'm just not sure how I train that, besides playing and playing and playing. And I can't help but feel that letting myself be moderately distracted the whole time can't be good for my poker game.
(14:42:29) garthmeisterj: Despite potential evidence to the contrary.
(14:42:46) maigrey101: well
(14:42:56) maigrey101: i think the tired/drinking lets your "muscle memory" take over
(14:43:17) garthmeisterj: So! I almost feel the urge to set up a "control" experiment, where I sit down and play at my desk, disconnected from everything else, concentrating only on one table, and see how it goes.
(14:43:21) maigrey101: and what you HAVE been doing, with your live play and feeling your way through hands is playing sober live and paying attention to how the hands play out
(14:43:27) garthmeisterj: But that doesn't sound fun.
(14:43:30) maigrey101: and analyzing things AFTER the tournament
(14:43:39) maigrey101: and that's really where your game improves
(14:43:48) maigrey101: i find that if I over think during a hand i get outplayed
(14:44:01) maigrey101: which is why I think my biggest hands have come when i'm too tired to do math
(14:44:12) maigrey101: I start relying on my instincts and saying "fuck you bitch I know I'm good, I call"
(14:44:23) maigrey101: where non tired heather may have talked herself out of a call
(14:44:28) maigrey101: and they show over a bluff and I scoop the pot
(14:44:46) maigrey101: because they know that I can be pushed off a pot normally
(14:44:47) garthmeisterj: Yeah... I am starting to feel that my game isn't very math heavy at all. Which again seems a little alarming, given I am Math Guy.
(14:45:04) maigrey101: it doesn't have to be very math heavy
(14:45:16) maigrey101: i'm going home now but you should keep typing and I will read when I get home
(14:45:22) garthmeisterj: OKios
(14:45:58) garthmeisterj: OK, you go home, I'll get some water and coffee and continue.
(14:46:05) maigrey101: ps i am not saying you play poorly sober
(14:47:04) garthmeisterj: Oh, I understand - but there is still a difference between "Playing OK" or even "Playing decently" and "Playing well"...
(14:47:45) garthmeisterj: I'm not having a go at you at all, I just realise that this issue and my reluctance to look at it may actually mask deeper issues with my game and further growth of my game.
(14:48:20) garthmeisterj: Also: you may have noticed that I am quite prepared to pontificate and talk about myself at the drop of a hat.
(14:48:32) garthmeisterj: (a hat, not a Hat, you understand)
(14:48:50) garthmeisterj: Anyway: coffee time. Hopefully you have already left for hom.
(14:48:54) garthmeisterj: home
(14:49:19) maigrey101: :)
(14:49:26) maigrey101: trying ok
(14:55:40) maigrey101: HAT!
(14:56:05) maigrey101: but yeah, I think it's interesting myself on how alcohol affects my game
(14:56:09) maigrey101: and I know exactly why that is
(14:56:51) garthmeisterj: Well, it's like one of those things - I think one thing that has also been helping is the instant discussion that we have occasionally had about the hands I have been playing. In some of those I have been able to (at least I think I have been able to) articulate very clearly and logically why I took the actions I took... the thing is that I am coming up with those arguments seemingly after the hand has been played out.
(14:57:38) garthmeisterj: I also thought of another example of when I played sober and played well: that PLO tournament I won on my Snow Day a few weeks back.
(14:58:49) garthmeisterj: Of course that almost confirms the argument that I play by feel more these days since what I know about PLO you could fit in a matchbox without taking the matches out first (OK, slight hyperbole, but it is nowhere near my best, or even second-best game)
(14:59:18) garthmeisterj: Not to mention that people in a $5 rebuy PLO tournament might not be the best barometer of good players!
(14:59:52) garthmeisterj: How does alcohol affect your game? More aggression?
(15:05:11) maigrey101: yeah
(15:05:17) maigrey101: i get pushed off hands less
(15:05:26) maigrey101: and I'm not afraid to push when i should, even though it's a mediocre hand
(15:07:24) garthmeisterj: Are you looser as well? Or no?
(15:09:01) maigrey101: hmmm
(15:09:07) maigrey101: kinda but not really
(15:09:28) maigrey101: i'm less afraid to reraise with AQs to an obvious steal , though
(15:09:33) maigrey101: so maybe yess
(15:10:32) garthmeisterj: I dunno - I'm more apt to put that in the "more aggressive" column.
(15:10:49) maigrey101: so yeah, probably
(15:11:10) maigrey101: and yes, i think talking about the game RIGHT THEN is immenselyhelpful
(15:11:40) maigrey101: it's what helped me become as good as I am
(15:11:53) maigrey101: lawyer mark always sat right next to me and we would talk about the game
(15:11:55) maigrey101: or the hands
(15:12:01) garthmeisterj: Handy
(15:12:03) maigrey101: yeah
(15:12:18) maigrey101: i mean we wouldn't always talk right then - we'd have to go outside and talk because you know, you don't want to give away STRATEGY
(15:12:19) maigrey101: but yeah
(15:12:41) maigrey101: i'm also more likely to bet middle pair early if i'm drinking
(15:12:44) maigrey101: because it's generally good
(15:12:46) maigrey101: so
(15:12:47) maigrey101: yeah
(15:12:51) maigrey101: mostly aggressin
(15:13:04) maigrey101: the tired is more the "screw you you're not pushing me off"
(15:14:02) garthmeisterj: It's good to hear counterpoint and advice (I am much better at taking advice than I used to), but I am finding it gratifying to be able to think through hands I just played and go "OK, now I am rationally thinking this through step-by-step I think I played the hand correctly".
(15:14:28) maigrey101: which justifies your instinct
(15:14:31) garthmeisterj: Right.
(15:14:42) garthmeisterj: So I guess I am trying to work out how to glue the two together.
(15:14:54) maigrey101: and i think hyou're finally starting to realize that you're actually not horrible at this stuff
(15:15:04) garthmeisterj: Which stuff? The instinct stuff?
(15:15:04) maigrey101: and maybe even good for a non-ambitious player ;)
(15:15:08) maigrey101: poker
(15:15:08) garthmeisterj: Heh
(15:15:11) garthmeisterj: Oh.
(15:15:31) maigrey101: i mean, I keep telling you that - i think you're finally starting to see it click, though
(15:15:37) garthmeisterj: Well, I've known I don't completely suck, but I've known it for a while.
(15:15:46) garthmeisterj: Yeah, a lot of the pieces are starting to come together.
(15:16:12) maigrey101: you'll be better than I am in a reasonably short time, too
(15:16:27) maigrey101: you already waaaaaaaay outshine me in tournaments. and I don't say that lightly
(15:16:51) garthmeisterj: My defense mechanism of talking myself down kicks in pretty quickly though. I truly believe that if I go in thinking I rule then I am going to make mistakes because I am playing over-confidently etc.
(15:17:00) maigrey101: oh i know
(15:17:13) garthmeisterj: Eh, I dunno about that. You are no slouch.
(15:17:16) maigrey101: you have to be confident in your decisions - you can't expect to win though
(15:17:21) maigrey101: if that makes sense
(15:17:41) maigrey101: i'm GOING NOW
(15:17:49) garthmeisterj: I'm not sure at all about this "waaaaaaaaaaay outshine" and "better than I am in a reasonably short time" stuff.
(15:17:51) garthmeisterj: OK
(15:17:53) maigrey101: but let me know what WSOP event you decide to play in. I'll buy a piece of garth
(15:17:57) maigrey101: :)
(15:18:07) garthmeisterj: Ha!
(15:18:27) maigrey101: and I don't buy pieces of people, as a rule
(15:18:28) garthmeisterj: Ah, we'll see. The WSOP is still in the "maybe maybe" camp.
(15:18:32) maigrey101: otis and ryan are exceptions
(15:18:38) maigrey101: dda pays for a buyin ;)
(15:18:46) garthmeisterj: The "selling pieces of myself" thing is something that I hadn't even considered.
(15:18:52) garthmeisterj: Hadn't even occurred to me.
(15:19:38) maigrey101: uh well
(15:19:39) maigrey101: dude
(15:22:30) maigrey101: hellooooo
(15:22:36) maigrey101: it's just a matter of how much you want to sell!
(15:22:51) garthmeisterj: See - I find this troubling. I know you're all adults and everything, but I'd have to make you a waiver saying "I am buying a piece of Garth because I regard this as a good risk and not because I think he is asking for handouts so he can play the damn thing."
(15:22:58) garthmeisterj: sign a waiver
(15:23:00) maigrey101: ok, i will sign
(15:23:14) garthmeisterj: Ah, I'm a bit fucked in the head sometimes.
(15:23:34) garthmeisterj: If we strike "sometimes" and replace it with "regularly".
(15:23:45) maigrey101: welcome to the human race
(15:24:08) garthmeisterj: And ignore that I just created a badly constructed English sentence.
(15:24:31) maigrey101: yes dear
(15:24:31) maigrey101: ok
(15:24:32) maigrey101: BYE
(15:25:25) maigrey101: you know that would be a funny way of selling pieces of your buyin
(15:25:35) maigrey101: put a picture of you up, and like flicker notes off the portions
(15:25:36) maigrey101: HAHAHAHA
(15:25:38) maigrey101: i crack myself up
(15:25:58) garthmeisterj: Actually, that's pretty good.
(15:26:04) maigrey101: I GET THE CHEST
(15:26:19) garthmeisterj: Maybe you could have a nipple. My chest isn't small.
(15:26:42) maigrey101: hmph
(15:26:50) maigrey101: we will talk about this later.
(15:32:57) garthmeisterj: Anyway, I think the biggest advantage of playing while drinking is that I don't play as scared. I think that's a subtle difference from playing more aggressive, but hey, I'm a subtle guy.
(15:33:04) garthmeisterj: Try not to laugh out loud when you read that.
(15:37:38) maigrey101 logged out.
(15:42:06) garthmeisterj: Alright! Time for me to continue talking about myself, to myself.
(15:43:44) garthmeisterj: I guess I'm just continuing to have those thoughts about wondering what I am doing with my game. That whole recreational vs serious player thing.
(15:45:28) garthmeisterj: Thinking about it, the whole "play better when I'm drinking" thing is that discussion on a micro level: is it possible to be a serious player if you play better while drinking? Men Nguyen aside, of course.
(15:47:02) garthmeisterj: On one hand I am happy sitting on the recreational side of things, since I can just keep doing what I'm doing: play lower limits, get trashed, chat to people and not worry if I'm distracting myself.
(15:50:09) garthmeisterj: On the other hand I feel that my game is coming together, and I do feel that I want to allow myself to have a shot at becoming a good player while building my roll and being able to play higher limits.
(15:50:24) garthmeisterj: In short: I want to have my cake and eat it too. Surprise!
(15:51:26) garthmeisterj: But that's when the laziness kicks in.
(15:52:12) garthmeisterj: I guess the $64,000 question is this: what do you think I need to do to become a better player?
(15:53:40) garthmeisterj: Wow - I have been talking about myself for over an hour and a half. I'm glad I'm not self-absorbed.
(15:54:32) maigrey101 logged in.
(15:55:15) maigrey101: hahahah
(15:55:21) maigrey101: Jen harman plays better after a beer too
(15:55:25) maigrey101: theyve said that on HSP
(15:55:30) garthmeisterj: Really? Hehe.
(15:55:53) garthmeisterj: So factoring in body mass and alcohol tolerance... I need to knock back half a case before playing.
(15:56:05) maigrey101: hahahaha
(15:56:15) maigrey101: yeah I noticed she started off with a beer this season
(15:56:23) maigrey101: and gabe said she was playing really tight last year
(15:56:28) garthmeisterj: But seriously - what do you think I need to do?
(15:56:29) maigrey101: and then she had a beer or two and losend up
(15:56:32) maigrey101: hold on one
(15:57:28) garthmeisterj: I mean, I have a PokerTracker database that I have never really used beyond pairing it with PokerAceHUD. That could be a starting point.
(15:57:48) garthmeisterj: But that is more of the "higher brain function" stuff.
(15:58:15) maigrey101: yeah and really that was a bad thing fo rme
(15:58:22) garthmeisterj: Maybe it's just "Don't be afraid to have a few while playing, and just continue to play a lot while mixing in the occasional shot"
(15:58:24) maigrey101: i would rely TOO MUCH on that and not my instincts
(15:58:35) garthmeisterj: (the occasional shot thing being something we discussed while I was wrecked on Friday night)
(15:58:37) maigrey101: you do know that danny n used to knock them back on a regular basis right?
(15:58:40) maigrey101: before he found jesus?
(15:58:52) garthmeisterj: He found Jesus? I actually didn't know that.
(15:58:55) maigrey101: here's what I say
(15:58:58) maigrey101: oh yeaaaaaaah
(15:59:02) garthmeisterj: Dang.
(15:59:11) maigrey101: you are still learning
(15:59:15) maigrey101: Absolutely.
(15:59:16) garthmeisterj: do you drink at the club?
(15:59:19) garthmeisterj: No
(15:59:20) garthmeisterj: Not normally
(15:59:23) maigrey101: right
(15:59:36) maigrey101: I think there's a HUGE difference between online and Live
(15:59:43) maigrey101: grand canyon size
(15:59:54) maigrey101: as I said before, I can make laydowns playing live that I can't online
(16:00:04) garthmeisterj: I had a few on the President's day weekend Sunday... coincidentally the one where I pushed over the top of a guy on the turn with nothing but TPTK...
(16:00:11) maigrey101: heh
(16:00:18) maigrey101: yeah but I think that's ok - you are still LEARNING
(16:00:22) maigrey101: hopefully you will always be learning
(16:00:22) garthmeisterj: (But that was like after 3 beers over 3 hours)
(16:00:34) maigrey101: but yeah, don't be afraid to have a few while playing
(16:00:44) maigrey101: seriously, with your tolerance? a few is nothing, really
(16:00:55) garthmeisterj: Just to take the edge off.
(16:00:57) maigrey101: it just .. right
(16:00:59) maigrey101: i was going to say that
(16:01:20) maigrey101: I am never reeally afraid to drink when I play - because one an hour just takes the edge of inhibitions
(16:01:28) garthmeisterj: And beyond that? Just keep playing?
(16:01:29) maigrey101: I was when i was playing for A FUCKLOAD OF MONEY
(16:01:30) maigrey101: yeah
(16:01:38) maigrey101: and keep TALKING about the hands
(16:01:42) maigrey101: with smart people
(16:01:57) garthmeisterj: Yeah, I actually had "playing and talking", but took out the talking part.
(16:02:01) maigrey101: that is like uber number one important
(16:02:13) maigrey101: I learned a hell of a lot before i played the big game just watching mark play
(16:02:31) maigrey101: i learned a lot more when I was playing and talking though - able to relate commentary to something I just did
(16:02:36) maigrey101: muscle memory really
(16:02:37) garthmeisterj: Right.
(16:02:49) maigrey101: and you're going to need to find someone who's not afraid to say "uh, I would not have done that"
(16:03:08) garthmeisterj: Yeah, well you seem to fit the bill thus far.
(16:03:10) maigrey101: (which is me, I know)
(16:03:28) maigrey101: but there are a lot of people who will be yah yah you played great
(16:03:36) maigrey101: I like talking to you about hands - you have a different view on things than I do
(16:03:52) maigrey101: and that's what kurt and I do - and I never feel with either of you that it's a lopsided arrangement (like I did with mark)
(16:04:00) maigrey101: (although he said teaching me reinforces his play)
(16:04:08) maigrey101: also I think there's something about playing a tournament with someone watching
(16:04:11) garthmeisterj: Kurt? Who is Kurt?
(16:04:26) garthmeisterj: Oh. See, someone I haven't met.
(16:04:28) maigrey101: right
(16:04:34) maigrey101: my buddy from chicago
(16:04:41) maigrey101: who i would gamble wit
(16:04:46) garthmeisterj: Yeah, I am pretty relaxed about people watching me these days.
(16:04:59) maigrey101: well - people watching me forces me to play better
(16:05:07) maigrey101: or, well, less stupid
(16:05:13) maigrey101: i'm not afraid to make the right moves
(16:05:20) maigrey101: but the "ohhhh 86o let's play"
(16:05:22) maigrey101: goes away
(16:05:30) garthmeisterj: During my DDA run I had a few people watching me. I found talking about what I was doing (post-hand) was really useful.
(16:05:43) maigrey101: yep
(16:06:29) garthmeisterj: Even if at the end it was me talking to Alan and Fluxer going "I have this hand. This is what I am doing."
(16:06:37) maigrey101: hahahaha
(16:06:42) maigrey101: well yeah, it makes you think
(16:06:57) garthmeisterj: I mean, Christ, I folded A7o from the BB to a small raise from the short stack who was UTG when it was three-handed.
(16:07:40) garthmeisterj: I think my chatter went something like: "Hmm, A7o. OK, I don't like this. The book probably says I should raise here, but screw the book."
(16:07:52) garthmeisterj: But I just felt very dialled in.
(16:08:58) garthmeisterj: (and he was the short stack - like 220k to my 700k, the other stack at 600k or something... and I probably got the numbers all wrong, but there you go)
(16:10:09) maigrey101: so, i think you should realize that right now your intuition is good shit, that knocking a few back forces you to let that take over
(16:10:17) maigrey101: and the talking about it helps you process it for next time
(16:10:27) garthmeisterj: Yeah, I can't fault that.
(16:10:29) maigrey101: and all the club stuff is good goood good learning stuff which is better to do sober
(16:10:56) garthmeisterj: So you wouldn't advocate knocking back something along the lines of a beer an hour at the club?
(16:11:05) maigrey101: for you? I don't think it would be an issue
(16:11:09) maigrey101: i think that's fine
(16:11:18) garthmeisterj: But do you think it would help?
(16:11:24) maigrey101: i do, in two ways
(16:11:28) garthmeisterj: It would probably help my image. :)
(16:11:30) maigrey101: and I wounldn't...
(16:11:31) maigrey101: yes that's one
(16:11:32) maigrey101: :)
(16:11:54) maigrey101: i wouldn't really advocate it for most people, but face it, you're not a small chap unused to drinking, so one an hour is not going to impair any judgement
(16:12:15) maigrey101: it will most likely relax you and let you dial in
(16:12:27) garthmeisterj: <----- deletes next question.
(16:12:29) maigrey101: the only think I wonder if it might do is keep you from paying attention to everything else going on at the table
(16:12:36) garthmeisterj: Right.
(16:12:46) maigrey101: because it's SO important live to watch ALL THE TIME
(16:12:50) garthmeisterj: Yeah.
(16:13:13) maigrey101: but you have to be the judge of that
(16:13:31) garthmeisterj: What?! I have to make my own mind up about something?! :((
(16:15:22) garthmeisterj: As I mentioned before though, I am not sure your comment about my outshining you in tournaments. I seem to recall you coming 2nd in HORSE + finishing deepish in a few DDs recently.
(16:15:28) maigrey101: annnnnnd
(16:15:33) maigrey101: who was drinking when she did that?
(16:15:38) maigrey101: to the point where I could TELL i was tipsy?
(16:15:51) garthmeisterj: So? Maybe a couple of drinks is good for you as well.
(16:15:58) maigrey101: oh, i have decided it is, at least online
(16:16:06) maigrey101: which is what started this whole conversation
(16:16:11) garthmeisterj: It was.
(16:16:11) maigrey101: for most of the same reasons we talked about
(16:16:23) maigrey101: I amp my aggression up when drinking
(16:16:32) maigrey101: i think it's okay enough as it is live though
(16:16:46) maigrey101: and when I drink live I don't do as well in the cash games really
(16:16:55) maigrey101: tournaments I do, because I'm not aggro enough ther either
(16:17:01) maigrey101: being a cash game player
(16:18:07) garthmeisterj: OK, so the continuum goes as follows: Sober Garth <= Sober Heather < Drunkie Garth <= Drunkie Heather
(16:18:19) maigrey101: hahahahahaha
(16:18:26) maigrey101: yes something like that
(16:18:33) maigrey101: there's the title of your blog post :D:D:D:
(16:18:37) maigrey101: and now I need to crash
(16:19:03) maigrey101: although
(16:19:09) maigrey101: i think i'd flip the drunkie ones around
(16:19:31) maigrey101: because I tend to get stupid when drunk :D
(16:20:48) garthmeisterj: hehe
(16:21:39) garthmeisterj: The only other thing I was going to ask was if you were serious about the "you're going to be much better than me in no time", because I'm not sure of the rationale. The only thing I can think of is that you think I am lower down my learning curve so my ceiling is higher.
(16:21:58) garthmeisterj: But I think if that's your thinking then you are selling yourself short.
(16:22:20) maigrey101: yep
(16:22:27) maigrey101: that's my thinking
(16:22:28) maigrey101: also
(16:22:33) maigrey101: I don't play much live anymore
(16:22:45) maigrey101: I am rusty
(16:22:51) maigrey101: and I will be honest here
(16:23:01) maigrey101: I don't really ahve the DESIRE to become a better player that I used to
(16:23:38) maigrey101: I'm really and truly ok with being an ex-big game player :)
(16:23:43) maigrey101: and donking around online tournaments
(16:23:45) garthmeisterj: Which is understandable - I mean that's a big part of my poker-related angst anyway.
(16:23:48) maigrey101: and the occasional AC stuff
(16:23:53) maigrey101: yoooou like it or not
(16:23:55) maigrey101: want to get better
(16:24:00) maigrey101: and see where you can go from here
(16:24:18) maigrey101: and you have me to help you ;)
(16:24:18) garthmeisterj: I guess so.
(16:24:28) garthmeisterj: Yeah, which I appreciate.
(16:24:34) maigrey101: I really am a fucking awesome poker coach, too.
(16:24:43) maigrey101: so there you go
(16:24:46) garthmeisterj: wheeeeeeeeeee
(16:24:53) maigrey101: I'm not selling myself short - I know i'm better than 90% of the folks
(16:25:02) maigrey101: I just see that you're not that far behind me
(16:25:07) maigrey101: and you have a lot more potential than I do
(16:25:11) garthmeisterj: I guess I need to ensure I start making myself go play live more often.
(16:25:15) maigrey101: yeah
(16:25:24) maigrey101: there is nothing like playing live
(16:25:28) maigrey101: online is great for what it is
(16:25:31) maigrey101: quick base learning
(16:26:13) garthmeisterj: Well, if nothing else I am pretty clear that playing live has helped my overall game.
(16:26:35) maigrey101: ye
(16:26:37) maigrey101: s
(16:26:43) maigrey101: because ther is no FTP clock ticking down
(16:26:49) maigrey101: and you've had time to THINK in the live game
(16:26:53) garthmeisterj: Fuck I hate that clock.
(16:26:54) maigrey101: so your online decisions are easier
(16:27:12) maigrey101: i go nap now
(16:27:15) garthmeisterj: OK
(16:27:23) garthmeisterj: I'll look this over and see if I post a version of it.
(16:27:27) garthmeisterj: Have a nice nap


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